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Hi everybody,
atm i'm thinking about to buy an macbook.
I just want to know, if anyone tried to run Orion Platinum with wine/winebottler/wineasio on Mac OS X?
I tested succesfully with Ubuntu Linux and wine + wineasio.
I know, virtualization is a way to run Orion on Mac, but that's not my question 
Thanks forward.
Greetz,
Andy
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| 18 Apr 2010 11:52 |
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bones
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I've got a question - why? Why would you want to pay a premium for a MacBook over a PC laptop? You get limited configuration options and very poor after-sales service. I reckon you'd have to be a complete idiot.
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| 19 Apr 2010 02:24 |
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Easy Bones. I have to say MacBooks aren't bad for video and graphics. Not sure what Andy's into - maybe he's an accountant? (Welcome aboard BTW Andy  ) I don't get this Linux and Wine stuff either. But if it makes OP work for Andy, that's cool. And safe from viruses too, so Apple's looking even better to me now.
We're not all Apple biters here Andy. Hopefully insight will come soon.
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| 19 Apr 2010 03:53 |
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> I've got a question - why? Why would you want to pay a premium for a MacBook over a PC laptop?
Hey bones, these are not my question!
> I reckon you'd have to be a complete idiot.
Thank you for the compliment :-P
I never want to start a discussion about pro/contra about windows/mac/linux/whatever.
I just want to you, if it's possible.
Here are some threads about running Orion with Linux + wine and on Mac with Virtualization.
Orion is the last app for me, i don't know if it's run an Mac. All the other ones run or have a Mac-Version available.
Thanks to Dungeon Studio for your reply.
Money and configuration-options are not all out there. A good running system and performance is all what matters!
At my job i work with windows & linux and i think Mac can do that thing, too. I believe, a OS optimized for the hardware is the best combination you can get.
Just remember the old days with C64, Amiga and so on...
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| 19 Apr 2010 10:49 |
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AndyDope wrote:
A good running system and performance is all what matters! |
andy, orion codebase is written for windows, so naturally you can expect to get best performance on windows for max use of orion.
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| 19 Apr 2010 13:27 |
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suneel wrote:
AndyDope wrote:
A good running system and performance is all what matters! |
andy, orion codebase is written for windows, so naturally you can expect to get best performance on windows for max use of orion. |
That's well known and clear.
My argument about good system and perf. is about the complete system, not only for Orion.
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| 19 Apr 2010 15:38 |
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AndyDope wrote:
suneel wrote:
AndyDope wrote:
A good running system and performance is all what matters! |
andy, orion codebase is written for windows, so naturally you can expect to get best performance on windows for max use of orion. |
That's well known and clear. |
thats very good Andy
AndyDope wrote:
My argument about good system and perf. is about the complete system, not only for Orion. |
then you need to be more specific about what applications you run other than orion, not all of us are mind readers out here. btw orion is not officially supported on os'es other than windows.
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| 19 Apr 2010 16:42 |
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In my opinion if you want a Mac you should get a DAW that is designed for that OS. Logic is pretty well thought of from what I have read, and other good DAWs for Mac are available also. An OS that is designed for the hardware is indeed a good thing (despite what certain complete idiots think) , so why try to run Windows on it?
Of course it will be considerably more expensive than Orion, but if you want to go with Mac you should be reconciled to spending more money for all your software and hardware.
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| 19 Apr 2010 17:25 |
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I agree as well Borion. It's too bad Apple's are still in their 'own little world'. And so much bridging has to be done to open a .TXT letter or view a .BMP still. And though I don't know much about Linux, it seems to undercut the whole OS thing completely - be it OSX or Vista et al.
I could see getting some big self made clone tower and running Linux. But don't understand still why one would buy Dell's and Mac's to convert to Linux? Like buying a Rolls Royce and changing it to a Beetle. Sure, it's more economical and easier to handle, but WTF?
Yet, sometimes things can be learned too by some of these conversions, and can carry on into applications majorities and minorities use. Linux to me still seems like such a tinker toy, or Meccano set still. But that's not to say I haven't seen great molecular models and brilliant robotic cranes done with either. But in Andy's case as with these models, eventually they will have to get 'streamlined' to be taken and operate seriously... IMHO.
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| 19 Apr 2010 17:57 |
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Hey guys,
i had the hope, that some of the people out there, which using Orion on Linux with wine or on Mac with Virtualization come to this thread, but i have to determine, that we talking about all, but not about my question.
I don't want to discuss about the OS or the why. I think what hardware and what OS is like a religios thing.
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| 19 Apr 2010 20:50 |
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what the hell is wine platform? time to google i suppose...... ive never heard of it
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| 19 Apr 2010 20:53 |
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Not being familiar with Mac OS X, I don't know a thing about the audio layer, but jack on Linux bypasses the most of the OS thread scheduling and provides direct access to your sound card. All you have to do in Linux is direct the alsa audio output to jack and you're good to go. That's the catch. Jack looks like it's in its infancy in Mac OS X. Short of attempting to build from source code, you might be running into serious latency issues.
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| 19 Apr 2010 22:50 |
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I'm surprised as well Hypna and some others haven't jumped in here yet? I made mention of using this Linux boot disk to recover my lappy from viruses, and got the crash course in the pro's and con's of Linux then from a few. There's definately Linux users here, and/or those that are knowledgable about Linux. Don't know if the OSX is scaring them off though? Linux should be Linux whether on Mac or PC, right?
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| 19 Apr 2010 23:53 |
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Actually, I've never worked on a Mac, never bothered with Apple's OSes, didn't even know about the existence of Wine before this thread, and the last contact I had with any distribution of Linux was quite some time ago.
I stuck with Windows OS ever since I got a PC as it proved that it can support everything I wanted it to do. Linux was just a trip into experimentation, I never had a need to protect my computer ever one way or the other to fully switch to it, and my trusty firewall and AV on Windows platform do all that security work for me quite good.
The "lecturing" (if you feel that was it, wasn't intended) about the recovery discs was purely talk from the personal experience. Leave the Linux utility discs for Linux systems, as it can do more harm than good on MS systems.
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| 20 Apr 2010 02:11 |
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Sorry Hypna, thought you were more up on Linux there. And it was insightful what you had informed me on indeed. I just used that Linux thing as a last ditch effort, maybe doing more harm than good. But appreciated the course you gave none the less.
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| 20 Apr 2010 04:56 |
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For the little I fooled with GarageBand on a G4, I was very impressed at it's low latency. Video and audio handling as well. Apple's are tight - no doubt about it. Got a MacPro at my disposal for movie work (which sadly is a barren desert now.) But still am hooked on PC's for music and day to day stuff.
So with this Linux stuff you're trying to do Andy - would it make Apple's that much better? Still don't quite grasp the concept you're trying to acheive. If you think there's a signifigant difference, I'm just as game as you are then.
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| 20 Apr 2010 21:29 |
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My question is about the possibility, not only about the sense
On Mac Hardware you can run Windows, Linux, Mac OS and whatever more. But that makes not realy sense, to use another OS like to optimized one. Don't forget the money for licenses like the MS ones.
I think, it doesn't make sense, to use another OS and then virtualize a another OS on it and make a lot of apps from other OS'ses run on this.
But in my case, the only one app that is not avaible for Mac OS is Orion.
So, there are two possible ways:
1) Get Orion working an Mac
2) Search for another app and so i have to change my workflow in music production and have a problem to use old projects. And yes, Synapse would lose a customer, i use Orion since years.
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| 20 Apr 2010 21:47 |
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Oh crap, pardon my ignorance Andy - there's no OSX version of OP for Apple? I just took it for granted there was one available at Synapse, but maybe not able to use certain VST's and such. 
Yes, that's a severe drag indeed. Either Synapse looses you, or Apple looses me. A shame either way.
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| 20 Apr 2010 23:19 |
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One point to keep in mind is that you may not (probably not is my guess) get the low latency and high quality audio rendering intrinsic to the Mac while running Orion on Wine. My suggestion would be to try Orion on Wine, then compare results with a trial version of a Mac-based DAW.
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| 21 Apr 2010 00:11 |
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AndyDope wrote:
My question is about the possibility, not only about the sense
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We're a helpful bunch. I've had good success running Orion on Linux with Wine. The only trouble I run into is with dubious freebie VSTs and issues with unimplemented APIs in Wine itself (GDIPlus is just not there). Orion itself, works very well by itself. How well that translates to what you will experience on Mac OS X is unknown. Theoretically, because you've got BSD under the covers, it SHOULD work, but Apple is a notoriously closed OS making it a crap shoot whether you will ever get anything to work on it that hasn't received the Steve Jobs stamp of approval. Have you tried other Windows based DAWs?
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| 21 Apr 2010 00:12 |
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bones
Godlike (4723 Posts)
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AndyDope wrote:
I never want to start a discussion about pro/contra about windows/mac/linux/whatever. |
You mean you don't want to be confronted with any logical argument that runs contrary to your decision.
| Money and configuration-options are not all out there. A good running system and performance is all what matters! |
Definitely, so why go with a Mac over a PC? You'll get much better performance from a PC and you won't get fucked over every time Apple release a new version of OS X that makes all your software stop working until you get updates for everything. And if you think running anything using a virtual machine or an API interface like WINE will give you half the performance of running things natively in the correct OS, you really are an idiot.
| At my job i work with windows & linux and i think Mac can do that thing, too. I believe, a OS optimized for the hardware is the best combination you can get. |
But it's not, it is exactly the same components you will find on any mid-spec PC laptop, something like a Sony Vaio or Dell XPS, except with a different OS that cannot be tweaked half as much as Windoze to improve performance.
Seriously, the way you approach this kind of thing is to decide on all the applications you want/need to use, then you find the OS that supports them all. Trying to kludge something together based on a myth is a great way to screw yourself over.
AndyDope wrote:
My argument about good system and perf. is about the complete system, not only for Orion. |
I just spent 2 months working on 8-core Mac Pros, alongside my dual-core PC laptop [because 3DS Max only runs on PC] and I got twice as much work done in any given time period on the PC as I did on the Macs, mostly running Adobe CS4 applications. My original plan had been to do my 3D on the laptop and everything else on the Mac, but my PC was much better at everything because my laptop has much better graphics [QuadroFX, which you cannot get on any Mac, at any price] performance and better drive-speed, thanks to being able to configure it better.
AndyDope wrote:
I think what hardware and what OS is like a religios thing. |
Yes, it very much is, where the Apple faithful are like religious zealots, whose decisions are not based on anything other than some myths, and PC users are like athiests, whose decisions are based on verifiable facts, not on some easily disproved rubbish.
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Mac OS uses CoreAudio. It's "like" ASIO for Windows or Jack for Linux. The diffenrence is, that CoreAudio is the only one API for Audio in Mac OS and it's ever for low latency. |
Call me stupid, but I'd much rather have audio specialists like Steinberg looking after my audio system than either Apple or Microsoft. That's the thing, ASIO is by audio people for audio people and consequently should best reflect our needs. What the hell do Apple know about what I want? All they are interested in is selling computers.
Here's something else to think about - if OS X is so damned good, why have they had to butcher it into unrecognisability for the iPhone and iPad? It's not like it's small, apparently it still takes up around 500Mb and I reckon I could use XPlite to get a smaller WinXP install on my laptop if I needed to.
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| 21 Apr 2010 01:56 |
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Sad to say, I have to agree with Bones on many of his points. 10-15 years ago I would argue Apple software was more efficient based on size comparisons alone to PC versions. Or that Apple was the trail blazer in multitasking and dual core achievements. But today, aside from the micro marvels of iPod, iPhone, and iPad - Apple is fast becoming a 'gizmo generator'. I still like the fact that Apple give's convienience right off the bat, with iMovie and GarageBand. But even then, this new Leopard OS on the MacPro - iMovie is horrendous on it.
A real step backwards IMHO. Yet it does feature some great tools used in Final Cut software - but basterdises the assembly so bad, it makes the MS ad with the oriental child using MSPaint look like a pro.
Yet Final Cut is still pretty brilliant - but expensive software IMHO.
So it's kinda like Windows offering MovieMaker, but only allowing to use .JPEG still photos, and hope users will spend another $899 on MovieMaster. Banking firms and stock sellers would be high fiving each other up and down Wall St. if MS went that way - but the majority of us would be pissed. So that's my problem with Apple currently.
Plus, as convienient as GarageBand is to have on board - and some might say it's like or better than OP... I couldn't handle being stuck with GB after experiencing OP, so I completely sympathise with Andy still. Really suprising Synapse doesn't have a OSX version, but can somewhat see why.
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| 21 Apr 2010 03:44 |
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"I never want to start a discussion about pro/contra about windows/mac/linux/whatever."
Yes but bones does, and that is what is important.
FWIW I agree with him though. I see no compelling reason myself to switch to Mac at this point in time; Windows machines are more powerful and cheaper.
But do I understand that some people just like the Mac OS and want to get away from Windows and virus problems, or maybe just want to try something new. If you do decide to get the Mac and try out Logic I would be interested to hear your evaluation of it in comparison with Orion.
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| 21 Apr 2010 06:05 |
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